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27th-May-2007 07:04 pm
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TTo begin with, I was going to write about Memorial Day, a weekend these days whose origin has been mostly forgotten, that to honor our hallowed dead, whose sacrifice over the years has kept many of you free to complain about how things are run.  Be very, very grateful that you can.  For many in the world, they are just now gaining that right, and still others have yet to gain that right. But I find that I can not without degrading this into a rant against asinine and unthinking liberalism...

Not that I agree with many of the points of view of the other side as well...

So I will not go there now, so lets talk about one of my other favorite topics, the vagaries of fiction, and lets look once more at HP, as it is the topic of the moment, and I have a vested interest in it, having written a few books there.

Ok, those that don't care about Potter and the universe therein tune out.

Now, for those of you who do, lets talk about why the sudden surrender by many.  Especially towards two plot points, that if she actually does use will ruin the books and show that JKR is a plodding author at best. 

1) Harry living.

There seems to be a vision that he will die, egged on, I think by those who feel that he must die to "make it real" or to somehow show he is human or some crap.  

Really to do so, would totally ruin the effect of a coming of age story, which is the essential foundation of the Potter series.  As one, Harry would not live to grow to age, and second, it would just blow as a plot device.  Really did you expect Luke to die in ROTJ, Frodo in ROTK?  No.  Then why would you do so with Harry?

2) One Big Happy Weasley Family....

Seriously is there a more asinine concept in any universe?  First Harry and Ginny.
 
Until The-Book-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named (UtBTSNBN) Harry had looked at Ginny perhaps twice in the entire series, and then in the concept of "Ron's annoying sister."  Remember we see everything from Harry's perspective, with all of the preconceptions that that point of view carries along.  Then suddenly he is in true love?  Yeah...sure....

I'll give you that he was horny.  And Ginny's hair is rather shiny.  It says so...repeatedly. 

I get horny too, all the bloody time, I'm a guy, it comes with the territory, but even I know it's not true love.   And deep inside, Harry always did as well.  As did Ginny.  The breakup at the end is only indicative of such.  There was only a bit of attraction, of a belief that they should at least try it.  If Ginny had really cared, had loved him with the depth that it will take to be at his side until the end, she would have never, ever, given up that easily. 

Harry wanted to be normal for a brief shining moment in the sun, he got it, but it cost far, far too much.  His normalcy was totally abnormal for him, he is not, nor will he ever be normal.  It is both his curse and his boon, and until he embraces that he can not succeed.  And Ginny is not the person to drive him to those heights.  There is one who can, and he knows her, and she knows him better than anyone alive.  Better than Ron, than Dumbledore, and definitely better than Voldemort, which in the end will be Tom's downfall.

Ron and Hermione.

Once again, yes, I will give you that there might be horniness.  Ron has probably harbored a crush on her since fourth year when he finally realized that she had tits.  But has Hermione, really, reciprocated?  Seriously, look at UtBTSNBN.  In it, Harry and Hermione flirt the entire book, even when they are ostensibly fighting they are there for each other.  Yeah, she reacts to her best friend, one of the two people who have been her friends since she was twelve being poisoned. 

Wow...there's a shocker. 

Ron has had his chance, again and again.  Hermione was asking one of her boys to ask her to Slughorn's party, but was it Ron?  He surely did not seize on the chance.  Nor did Harry, but we know about his cluelessness throughout.  He has screwed up relations again and again with girls, Parvati, Cho...why would he suddenly realize that signals that have slowly amped up in intensity now mean everything.  

In the end, when it came down to it, when DD died, Hermione clung to Harry and he sure made no attempt to make her let go.  Harry barely even noticed Ginny in the room, and Hermione did not go to Ron at the end, but to Harry.  Odd that, since that would seem to violate the "close family" that we aspire to. 

Maybe she realizes, somewhere, that it is not her lot in life to be normal either, and that a life as Ron's prize isn't quite what she wants from life after all.

Odd that...

So why, are we so, despondent?  Yes, there was the IOD, but did it do more, really, than becalm the waters for a moment?  Everything she says has at least a half dozen meanings, both in print and in word, but for some reason, one of the central tenants of the book, Love, the power that is supposed to push him past Voldemort, is as obvious as a forest of trees?  Does that make a lick of sense? 

In many ways the playing field has been evened since the release of HBP.  The British cover has an alchemical wedding symbol on it for pete's sake, and only delusional folks think that bodes well for Ron to gain his prize.  The books, like the center circle return on themselves, and what once was lost, now is found. 

There are are always more important things, like loyalty, friendship...and love. 

In the end, if we don't by some minuscule chance "win", so what?  There are already scads of Fan Fictions out there that are honestly better than I can actually image Deathly Hallows to be.  Even if we win, JKR has shown an unwillingness, or perhaps lassitude in fully developing her universe.  There are several books written at a level commensurate with hers, that do do so, and even stay strictly within the canon bounds, and several that exceed and surpass it. 

There we go, disagree if you will, I don't care.

Comments 
28th-May-2007 01:34 am (UTC)
You know I agree with you, we've worked too long together not to...

I hate the idea of giving up hope, it would be giving up something to wonderful.
28th-May-2007 01:45 am (UTC)
Yeah, I know you do.

You know that I've never given up hope, except perhaps in those few dark days, so we'll see, I guess.
28th-May-2007 01:46 am (UTC)
:)

Yes, we will indeed.
28th-May-2007 02:57 am (UTC)
Well it was stated a bit more bluntly than I would have, but yes you have good points.

The inherent problem I have with all of this is that Rowling has seemingly went out of her way to alienate scores of Harmony fans. I fail to believe she would do this if she was merely trying to throw fans off of her scent as it were.

For one she would alienate the fans of her books that actually are smart enough to interpret her writings corectly, and additionally why alienate customers?

I completely agree on the fanfiction front...my heart tells me she will leave the ships undefined...which I could live with in the end.

Matt

28th-May-2007 03:14 am (UTC)
The question is, did she really? Yeah I agree that there are things in HBP that seem to be shots directly at H/hr, but then the Entire book shows the stupidity of the other.

The thing is, except for that, very, very little is directly from her, most is through the filter of R/HR and H/G shippers. And did she really alienate customers. Yeah there will probably be a few, but most will read it, even if it's to take it back to Walmart the next day.
28th-May-2007 05:19 am (UTC)
I would die happy if she left it unanswered.

Though I would die happier if she gave me the answer I want.
30th-May-2007 09:10 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it would be entirely possible if she left it unanswered, but frankly, I don't think that Ron will live, which is an answer in and of itself.
28th-May-2007 04:22 am (UTC)
After considerable discussion on PK forums and reading HBP 3 times, I've come to believe that R/Hr is the biggest red herring of all time, especially the idea that Ron fancies Hermione. You're a guy - do you think his behavior speaks of a guy who has a serious crush on a girl? I don't. (I'm not a guy but no, I don't.) He treats Hermione pretty much the same way he treats Ginny. When Hermione invited him to Sluggy's party, Ron was fine with it until he started thinking it was as "more than friends" - then he went nuts and started babbling about being a "free agent", and shortly afterward he started snogging Lavender, who had been flirting with him before then. IMO he should have told Hermione he didn't want it to be a real date, but being Ron and rather graceless about that stuff, he basically showed Hermione he wasn't interested by kissing another girl. The fact that this happened soon after Ginny said (with no proof to us) that Hermione had kissed Krum 2 years earlier was part of the red-herringness of R/Hr. Harry has a long history of being wrong about how people relate to each other; I'm fairly well convinced he's wrong about R/Hr. At least I hope so, though we've still got the possibility of "apparent" R/Hr that turns out to be not what it appears because it's part of the Emma twist.

yeah, I think about this stuff waaay too much ;)
28th-May-2007 04:33 am (UTC)
Yeah, exactly.
A Cat to eat the fish...

Don't worry, I have actually had dreams about plot points, I've been there.

I have always thought it a rather pointed point if you will, that either Hermione or Ginny was lying about Viktor. Either Hermione was lying about it, or Ginny was, hmmm....why would either have a reason to lie?

No, as a guy, I have, especially when I was that age fixated on a girl. But not with Ron's behavior. Ron normally seems fixated on Hermione's possible suitors, not Hermione, be they Viktor, McClaggan...or gasp, Harry. It is odd that especially by now, Ron's first response to H/Hr together alone seems to be to interrogate them.
28th-May-2007 04:46 am (UTC)
But not with Ron's behavior. Ron normally seems fixated on Hermione's possible suitors, not Hermione, be they Viktor, McClaggan...or gasp, Harry. It is odd that especially by now, Ron's first response to H/Hr together alone seems to be to interrogate them.

Ron, IMO, interrogates all these guys the same way he would if Hermione was his sister. Notice how suspicious he is of any boy who's interested in Ginny -- he acts the same way toward Hermione. IMO the reason Ron and Hermione started getting along better, toward the end of HBP after Ron's near-death experience, is that they finally cleared the air about how each was acting toward the other. Ron is rude to Hermione because he sees her the same way he sees Ginny, like a member of his family. I bet he was totally shocked to find out that Hermione thought he fancied her :P
30th-May-2007 09:12 pm (UTC)
We have all noted the parrells with Ron's behavior vis a vis Ginny and Hermione, and yes I agree, that in the end he treats her like a sister. Assuming that JKR doesn't write something that is generally unacceptable in most of the mass publishing realm...

Ron has grown up being rude to all his siblings, it appears, and he has only continued the trend to Hermione.
28th-May-2007 08:56 pm (UTC)
You know, she left it unanswered I would be happy. I believe in HHr mainly because (to me, at least) it makes sense. It’s believable.
I agree with what you said about Ron. He is a jealous guy. Now, Ginny. I don’t like the character. Period. When I first read ‘that book’ I thought that was something ‘hidden’...I don’t know. But then I saw that OotP scrap on JK site (where she practically makes a ‘connection’ between Ginny and Cho) and...I don’t know what to think.
And really, Harry and Hermione are my favs characters- I couldn’t wish something so ‘bad’ for them.
However, this all Alchemy thing...hum...don’t get me wrong. I think it’s very interesting at all- but it is still a too *guessing* thing...It’s like a cup with water until its middle: some will say the cup is half empty, others will say is half full.
1st-Jun-2007 12:47 am (UTC) - Very much correct
I agree completely.

I would hope that Hermione's relationship with either Ron or Harry be left open. Maybe I am wrong, though- wasn't the last chapter of the last book supposed to be a kind of retrospective look at how their lives carried on after the fall of the dark lord. I thought that everything was going to be touched upon then. Perhaps I am incorrect and that was just something I picked up by osmosis through the din. I would rather it be open than Hermione/Ron.

I have spoken to Mike about this, but I hate the use of the "opposites attract" trope. There are so many stereotypes about men that are so base that even in our super-sensitive PC world they have evaded eradication. I'm not saying men don't think of sex, but we also think about having babies, and being held, and other things. Isn't the only thing Hermione and Ron have in common is Harry? Would they ever had been friends if Ron hadn't followed Harry into that Girls bathroom to save her from that Troll? The only reason I see why Hermione happens to spend so much of her time during the summer at the Weasleys is that she becomes Ginny's friend sometime around books 2-3, and that having a girl friend to hang out with in a house full of older brothers would be a boon for her. That makes complete sense. Otherwise, the only reason she is there is to quickly bring her into the story - like Worf's appearence in the Star Trek Next Gen Movies after he went to DS9. At least they came up with semi-thoughtful reasons why he suddenly shows up to be a part of the action (his entrance in "First Contact" is a great example of such a technique). Is it really that hard?

What does that have to do with the main point of my "opposites attract" argument? It shows the kind of arbitrary plotting that JKR had fallen back on in HBP. Because she stressed these plot conflicts so much in that book, she served only to reveal that some problems in HBP are not endemic. Look at what she does to Luna and Neville in HBP - or Draco. For me, HBP, in whatever form, is a BIG Draco book just as OotP was Luna and Neville's book. He jumps into the front seat- yet his character is relegated to the almost thredbare nemesis position it has been the last five books. Draco is clearly more than the sum of his parts- he is literally crying to be more; but, in HBP, JKR proves she can't do math good.

Another big question is, where the FUCK are Hermione's parents? Do they not have a story? How is it that Ron and Harry's families are so important and Hermione's aren't. The only time theyh are mentioned for more than a second is in filmic form in CoS where there's a little insert of Arthur talking to Hermione's parents when the Malfoys antagonize her.

There was some interesting stuff going on when Hermione left for X-mas break in PS to go vacationing with her parents, but other than their names and occupations, what do we know? We know 100 times more about Voldemort! Maybe if JKR had spent a little bit of the time wasted in HBP with Hernmione and Ron fighting each other, the issue of Hermione's family could be addressed and more colors be added into the tapestry of her character.

Maybe, now that Harry isn't going to go back to Hogwarts, we will see more of them and they will be a big part of "Deathly Hollows"?

Not that people who do fight can't have a relationship together. Look what happens to the great feuding couples once they get together: Mulder and Scully (they're not feuding as much as they are conflicted) who finally got together even after everyone on the X-files- the actors, Chris Carter, creative staff maintained that they wouldn't. Look at the shows that, after getting two main characters together, quickly went into mediocrity, like "Moonlighting." "Gilmore Girls" was able to make the Lorelai/Luke relationship interesting and steered it away from those horrible pits.
The reason Ron and Hermione work so well as they are is because they represent the metaphoric duality of Harry's mind. Ron is Dionysian whilst Hermione is Apollonian. Of course they don't get along together very well!


Those are just my thoughts. . . .

As for fan fics out there better than DH will ever be- Mike, your fics are that good. I would take "Circle's End" over every other Potter book save Phoenix.
5th-Jul-2007 03:50 pm (UTC) - Hermione/Ron -Sibling rivalry?
Anonymous
I do agree that Ron's feelings for Hermione are more brotherly than anything else, but I think his fits of jealousy towards her potential boyfriends are not just brotherly protectiveness but actual sibling rivalry. Ron is jealous of Hermione; of her intelligence, her magical talent and her closeness with Harry. He's desperately afraid she will push him into the background because Harry will think her a more usefull friend. And of course she is. Mostly we see Hermione as the one who solves problems and comes up with ideas; apart from that time she was petrified in Book 2 it's been the Harry/Hermione show all the way. So when he discovers Hermione has kissed Krum he goes nuts, not because he's jealous of him but of her. He just can't bear it that on top of everything else Hermione also has a lead on him in terms of romantic experience.

As for what will happen in DH I still have a bit of hope for H/Hr but I'm trying not to hope too much. Whatever the final outcome I agree that some fanfics are better than anything in canon and yours are among them. For me Darkness and Lions will always be the true canon Books 6 and 7
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